1 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:09,080 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:30,830 --> 00:00:25,710 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 3 00:00:33,570 --> 00:00:30,840 episode number 333 for the 16th of may 4 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:33,580 2015 Richard Saunders here with you from 5 00:00:39,180 --> 00:00:36,130 Sydney Australia good morning yes it's 6 00:00:41,130 --> 00:00:39,190 Saturday morning yes the show is a day 7 00:00:43,650 --> 00:00:41,140 early the show is a day early because 8 00:00:47,270 --> 00:00:43,660 this week I'm talking to comedian 9 00:00:50,220 --> 00:00:47,280 skeptical comedian skeptic Lawrence lung 10 00:00:52,530 --> 00:00:50,230 skeptical comedian comedian skeptic I 11 00:00:53,940 --> 00:00:52,540 went to see Lawrence's show last night 12 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:53,950 here in Sydney as part of the comedy 13 00:01:00,360 --> 00:00:57,130 festival The Escapist ah was a funny 14 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:00,370 show great show idea about to chat to 15 00:01:05,279 --> 00:01:02,410 Lawrence and you can listen in about the 16 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:05,289 show about his dealings with her James 17 00:01:11,660 --> 00:01:08,050 Randi as he and I were part of the James 18 00:01:14,999 --> 00:01:11,670 Randi to her last year and lots of his 19 00:01:17,130 --> 00:01:15,009 skeptical adventures coming up Lawrence 20 00:01:20,310 --> 00:01:17,140 long and if you're in Sydney if you're 21 00:01:22,529 --> 00:01:20,320 in Sydney tonight is Lawrence's last 22 00:01:25,830 --> 00:01:22,539 performance you can go to laurens room 23 00:01:27,660 --> 00:01:25,840 calm more information coming up and go 24 00:01:29,340 --> 00:01:27,670 along and check e show out maybe there 25 00:01:31,620 --> 00:01:29,350 are still tickets available great night 26 00:01:34,140 --> 00:01:31,630 out really enjoyed it after that it's 27 00:01:36,899 --> 00:01:34,150 Maynard spooky action may not and I 28 00:01:38,700 --> 00:01:36,909 catch up for a quick bite of lunch where 29 00:01:43,260 --> 00:01:38,710 Maynard will discuss some of the 30 00:01:45,899 --> 00:01:43,270 sceptical topics of the week including 31 00:01:49,020 --> 00:01:45,909 are we just a three-dimensional 32 00:01:51,300 --> 00:01:49,030 projection from a two-dimensional 33 00:01:53,929 --> 00:01:51,310 universe I don't even know what to say 34 00:01:56,100 --> 00:01:53,939 about that may not spooky action 35 00:01:58,620 --> 00:01:56,110 following that it's a wig in science 36 00:02:00,920 --> 00:01:58,630 from the Royal Institution of Australia 37 00:02:03,210 --> 00:02:00,930 looking at jobs for the future 38 00:02:05,670 --> 00:02:03,220 scientific jobs in the future what will 39 00:02:07,109 --> 00:02:05,680 they be what might they be then to round 40 00:02:11,610 --> 00:02:07,119 off the show we have a special guest 41 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:11,620 reporter pontus Bachman from Sweden yes 42 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:15,130 he's going to be talking to some Finnish 43 00:02:22,020 --> 00:02:19,810 skeptics from Finland as you might 44 00:02:25,020 --> 00:02:22,030 expect now that's a country I'd like to 45 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:25,030 visit I would love to visit Finland why 46 00:02:30,750 --> 00:02:27,610 not Wow looks like a beautiful country 47 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:30,760 what's happening in Finland and what is 48 00:02:35,729 --> 00:02:33,730 think Helsinki 49 00:02:38,699 --> 00:02:35,739 think well I don't know what I'd like to 50 00:02:41,339 --> 00:02:38,709 go there and think myself yes helsinki 51 00:02:43,710 --> 00:02:41,349 you know how whole area in the world has 52 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:43,720 always felt a certain wonder for me i 53 00:02:47,670 --> 00:02:45,610 think i've been to where have i been 54 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:47,680 nothing to Denmark I've been done norway 55 00:02:53,100 --> 00:02:50,530 I've been to Sweden are Finland you're 56 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:53,110 next now also for those people living in 57 00:02:58,229 --> 00:02:55,330 Sydney or near Sydney on the twentieth 58 00:03:01,350 --> 00:02:58,239 of June we have the next Sydney skeptics 59 00:03:03,930 --> 00:03:01,360 dinner meeting and the topic this time 60 00:03:06,330 --> 00:03:03,940 will be autism the next Sydney dinner 61 00:03:08,940 --> 00:03:06,340 will feature Nicole Rogerson the 62 00:03:13,289 --> 00:03:08,950 founding director and CEO of autism 63 00:03:15,319 --> 00:03:13,299 awareness Australia no one will give you 64 00:03:19,410 --> 00:03:15,329 a better understanding of the myths and 65 00:03:21,990 --> 00:03:19,420 reality of autism and as you probably 66 00:03:23,940 --> 00:03:22,000 know being a regular skeptic zone listen 67 00:03:26,610 --> 00:03:23,950 or afraid if you're a new listen I'll 68 00:03:28,619 --> 00:03:26,620 fill you in autism is one of the things 69 00:03:31,770 --> 00:03:28,629 that the anti-vaccination people keep 70 00:03:34,770 --> 00:03:31,780 harping on about even though that myth 71 00:03:36,839 --> 00:03:34,780 has been long since debunked and debunk 72 00:03:38,879 --> 00:03:36,849 is not a word we really like to use too 73 00:03:41,009 --> 00:03:38,889 much but sometimes well it's just the 74 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:41,019 right word to use well that's enough for 75 00:03:45,270 --> 00:03:42,730 me I'm going to run downstairs and have 76 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:45,280 our being a Saturday morning I'm going 77 00:03:53,339 --> 00:03:50,410 to have some nice toast toast underrated 78 00:03:57,180 --> 00:03:53,349 what a classic toast with a little bit 79 00:04:00,949 --> 00:03:57,190 of cream cheese and um maybe a poached 80 00:04:03,780 --> 00:04:00,959 egg yeah why not and coffee well I'm 81 00:04:06,890 --> 00:04:03,790 munching all that I hope you enjoy the 82 00:04:06,900 --> 00:04:25,840 you 83 00:04:32,540 --> 00:04:29,600 and joining me now on the line is 84 00:04:34,850 --> 00:04:32,550 Lawrence long hello Lawrence hey Richard 85 00:04:37,490 --> 00:04:34,860 are you doing I'm well what a great time 86 00:04:40,219 --> 00:04:37,500 I had last night at your show The 87 00:04:43,730 --> 00:04:40,229 Escapist a lot of laughs the crowd 88 00:04:45,650 --> 00:04:43,740 really loved it now this show is going 89 00:04:47,150 --> 00:04:45,660 out of extra early to give people in 90 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:47,160 Sydney the chance to see the show 91 00:04:50,900 --> 00:04:49,289 tonight you're playing tonight what can 92 00:04:52,820 --> 00:04:50,910 you tell people about the show I don't 93 00:04:56,330 --> 00:04:52,830 want to give anything away you see well 94 00:04:59,390 --> 00:04:56,340 I guess it's the it's maybe the faithful 95 00:05:01,760 --> 00:04:59,400 six of my solo shows in the Comedy 96 00:05:04,159 --> 00:05:01,770 Festival I think I've done five or six 97 00:05:06,260 --> 00:05:04,169 comedy festivals here in a Sydney and 98 00:05:07,610 --> 00:05:06,270 this one's at the factory theatre in 99 00:05:10,879 --> 00:05:07,620 marrickville tonight at seven fifteen 100 00:05:12,710 --> 00:05:10,889 and it's called The Escapist I've got a 101 00:05:14,180 --> 00:05:12,720 good I don't wanna give it away too much 102 00:05:16,460 --> 00:05:14,190 of course but there's got two threads 103 00:05:19,719 --> 00:05:16,470 running through one which is my love of 104 00:05:24,140 --> 00:05:19,729 Harry Houdini you guys skeptic and 105 00:05:25,670 --> 00:05:24,150 escapologist ear and also I guess the 106 00:05:28,490 --> 00:05:25,680 other thread is all the embarrassing 107 00:05:31,250 --> 00:05:28,500 moments in my life which I've tried to 108 00:05:33,170 --> 00:05:31,260 escape from yeah I think I think you 109 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:33,180 wove them together quite well and of 110 00:05:36,830 --> 00:05:35,250 course as a skeptic and we can sort of 111 00:05:38,469 --> 00:05:36,840 concentrate on The Skeptical side of 112 00:05:40,460 --> 00:05:38,479 things Harry Houdini was a an 113 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:40,470 interesting character an interesting 114 00:05:46,219 --> 00:05:42,570 case study is a skeptic it was a man who 115 00:05:47,930 --> 00:05:46,229 was originally looking for evidence of 116 00:05:50,330 --> 00:05:47,940 the paranormal to communicate with his 117 00:05:52,460 --> 00:05:50,340 mother and so on but ended up really 118 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:52,470 uncovering a lot of sharks out there I 119 00:05:58,300 --> 00:05:54,930 guess for Harry Houdini he was someone 120 00:06:01,490 --> 00:05:58,310 who is quite aware of deception trickery 121 00:06:04,339 --> 00:06:01,500 but of course during the turn of the 122 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:04,349 century spiritualism was such the rage 123 00:06:07,700 --> 00:06:05,849 it was is the fashionable thing at the 124 00:06:09,529 --> 00:06:07,710 time as you know we don't have reality 125 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:09,539 TV show back then but for them everyone 126 00:06:14,270 --> 00:06:11,610 wanted to the coolest thing for the 127 00:06:15,820 --> 00:06:14,280 public was to believe in the afterlife I 128 00:06:18,379 --> 00:06:15,830 guess because of the Great War and 129 00:06:20,540 --> 00:06:18,389 inventions such as radio and things like 130 00:06:23,990 --> 00:06:20,550 that people got the idea that perhaps we 131 00:06:26,510 --> 00:06:24,000 can communicate via the ever to the 132 00:06:29,869 --> 00:06:26,520 other side of course 133 00:06:31,490 --> 00:06:29,879 Houdini wanted to believe originally he 134 00:06:35,450 --> 00:06:31,500 want to communicate to his mother who 135 00:06:38,689 --> 00:06:35,460 had died and he instead uncovered all 136 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:38,699 this you know charlatans activity around 137 00:06:45,439 --> 00:06:42,210 seances that it's quite a fascinating 138 00:06:48,830 --> 00:06:45,449 history actually with Harry it certainly 139 00:06:50,990 --> 00:06:48,840 is and he's a great case study for for 140 00:06:52,939 --> 00:06:51,000 any skeptic out there and here's the 141 00:06:55,010 --> 00:06:52,949 Segway Lawrence I know he is a great 142 00:06:57,439 --> 00:06:55,020 interest of the one and only James Randi 143 00:06:59,960 --> 00:06:57,449 and the segways of course that you and I 144 00:07:01,760 --> 00:06:59,970 had the the pleasure of spending time 145 00:07:05,059 --> 00:07:01,770 with James Randi late last year as we 146 00:07:07,309 --> 00:07:05,069 toured australia with with his two of 147 00:07:10,370 --> 00:07:07,319 the movie they were showing up about his 148 00:07:14,089 --> 00:07:10,380 life and what an experience that was you 149 00:07:17,779 --> 00:07:14,099 took the the role of the interviewing 150 00:07:20,209 --> 00:07:17,789 Randy on stage in Melbourne Sydney and 151 00:07:22,159 --> 00:07:20,219 Brisbane and I'd had that pleasure in 152 00:07:23,839 --> 00:07:22,169 Adelaide and Perth but my goodness me 153 00:07:26,119 --> 00:07:23,849 it's one of those experiences money just 154 00:07:29,300 --> 00:07:26,129 can't buy yeah it's amazing I mean I 155 00:07:34,010 --> 00:07:29,310 grew up being quite a big fan of James 156 00:07:35,809 --> 00:07:34,020 Randi myself I remember one of the books 157 00:07:38,839 --> 00:07:35,819 that I got when I was it laughs as a 158 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:38,849 teenager in the library I was called a 159 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:42,330 conjuring by james randi a squat and it 160 00:07:47,839 --> 00:07:44,250 was about the history of magic is was 161 00:07:50,510 --> 00:07:47,849 not a single magic trick instruction in 162 00:07:53,390 --> 00:07:50,520 the entire it was just purely on the 163 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:53,400 history and the love of magic and I 164 00:07:59,029 --> 00:07:56,130 think that's kind of what got me into 165 00:08:02,120 --> 00:07:59,039 loving magic and psychology just reading 166 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:02,130 the history of magicians and of also i 167 00:08:07,010 --> 00:08:04,050 read a lot of james Rainey's books after 168 00:08:09,469 --> 00:08:07,020 that and of course here here I was many 169 00:08:12,050 --> 00:08:09,479 years later good you could say decades 170 00:08:13,670 --> 00:08:12,060 later socially sitting across from them 171 00:08:16,249 --> 00:08:13,680 and asking all the questions I wanted to 172 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:16,259 ask him when I was a little kid yeah we 173 00:08:21,559 --> 00:08:18,210 was such a such a wonderful experience 174 00:08:24,529 --> 00:08:21,569 for you and I both getting a chance just 175 00:08:27,350 --> 00:08:24,539 to chat with Randy okay so there was a 176 00:08:30,170 --> 00:08:27,360 huge crowd watching us as we did it in 177 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:30,180 our various locations but i must say 178 00:08:34,519 --> 00:08:31,650 that there was a particularly fine 179 00:08:36,529 --> 00:08:34,529 moment for me in the sydney show where 180 00:08:38,269 --> 00:08:36,539 they were playing the movie and you and 181 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:38,279 i and Randy and a few other people and 182 00:08:42,860 --> 00:08:40,050 Dick Smith of course we're backstage 183 00:08:45,889 --> 00:08:42,870 waiting as for the evening to progress 184 00:08:47,690 --> 00:08:45,899 and at one stage I noticed Randy took 185 00:08:49,579 --> 00:08:47,700 you aside and was giving you a few 186 00:08:51,199 --> 00:08:49,589 little personal magic trick lessons 187 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:51,209 that's a that's just pretty priceless 188 00:08:56,980 --> 00:08:53,970 stuff I that's like one of the moments 189 00:08:59,329 --> 00:08:56,990 of my life which I'll probably forever I 190 00:09:02,110 --> 00:08:59,339 the group wanted to get into magic after 191 00:09:04,069 --> 00:09:02,120 reading his books and then backstage 192 00:09:06,980 --> 00:09:04,079 just before the show before he's 193 00:09:08,210 --> 00:09:06,990 appearance is he was taking me you know 194 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:08,220 around the corner and he was teaching 195 00:09:11,690 --> 00:09:09,810 you some of these old magic tricks from 196 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:11,700 the card tricks that he'd come up with 197 00:09:16,730 --> 00:09:14,010 um mentalism sort of mind reading 198 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:16,740 effects of the cards um and I i almost 199 00:09:23,449 --> 00:09:19,290 could not concentrate what's in because 200 00:09:24,980 --> 00:09:23,459 also blown away by the mug but he also 201 00:09:28,670 --> 00:09:24,990 had his own rock star moment stick I 202 00:09:30,380 --> 00:09:28,680 think the final session we had in sydney 203 00:09:32,540 --> 00:09:30,390 was at the metro theatre so i was a very 204 00:09:34,850 --> 00:09:32,550 much a rock roll style venue and he 205 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:34,860 loved it he loved it being that rock and 206 00:09:39,350 --> 00:09:37,170 roll style grungy venue and i noticed 207 00:09:41,780 --> 00:09:39,360 backstage there were a lot of graffiti 208 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:41,790 on the walls by different bands you know 209 00:09:46,519 --> 00:09:44,130 a kazakh and who knows what else and 210 00:09:48,290 --> 00:09:46,529 james randi pulled out his own black 211 00:09:53,180 --> 00:09:48,300 marker and signed his name on the wall 212 00:09:54,650 --> 00:09:53,190 next to all these are rock bands yes I 213 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:54,660 remember I've got a photograph of that 214 00:09:59,000 --> 00:09:56,250 somewhere I think I thought that was a 215 00:10:01,610 --> 00:09:59,010 that was quite a moment and yeah I must 216 00:10:05,660 --> 00:10:01,620 say that I to during me the course of 217 00:10:07,190 --> 00:10:05,670 the the the tour I had times where I was 218 00:10:08,750 --> 00:10:07,200 just having a private chat with Randy 219 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:08,760 and he was killing me and some life 220 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:11,610 stories and he let slip a few obvious a 221 00:10:16,670 --> 00:10:13,890 personal conjuring secrets and I'm and I 222 00:10:19,940 --> 00:10:16,680 like you was I couldn't believe it it 223 00:10:21,500 --> 00:10:19,950 was so fascinating is it was uh yeah one 224 00:10:24,889 --> 00:10:21,510 of those moments in life that I think 225 00:10:27,410 --> 00:10:24,899 you and I can both remember for many 226 00:10:31,220 --> 00:10:27,420 years to come yeah it's extremely 227 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:31,230 generous with his time and also being 228 00:10:38,210 --> 00:10:34,770 the final one the one in Sydney he gave 229 00:10:41,780 --> 00:10:38,220 quite a rousing and emotional almost a 230 00:10:44,180 --> 00:10:41,790 farewell speech to Australia um that one 231 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:44,190 was picked particularly emotional to see 232 00:10:48,590 --> 00:10:46,050 him sort of saying to the crowd thanks 233 00:10:51,139 --> 00:10:48,600 for coming out and supporting my work 234 00:10:53,269 --> 00:10:51,149 and interested in you know what he was 235 00:10:55,010 --> 00:10:53,279 doing for the past few decades in US but 236 00:10:57,410 --> 00:10:55,020 also saying that this may be the last 237 00:11:00,319 --> 00:10:57,420 time okay Australia there's not a young 238 00:11:02,540 --> 00:11:00,329 man no sadly no I mean we can always 239 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:02,550 hope that he might come out one more 240 00:11:07,490 --> 00:11:04,290 time or whatever the case may be but 241 00:11:09,290 --> 00:11:07,500 yeah it was at his age travel is getting 242 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:09,300 more difficult of course and we can 243 00:11:13,510 --> 00:11:11,490 understand that but you're actually your 244 00:11:17,210 --> 00:11:13,520 association with Randy does go back 245 00:11:18,470 --> 00:11:17,220 longer than just this past tour there 246 00:11:21,170 --> 00:11:18,480 was a particularly memorable moment 247 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:21,180 where you were making a TV show and you 248 00:11:24,170 --> 00:11:22,770 turned up in Las Vegas at one of the 249 00:11:25,699 --> 00:11:24,180 amazing meetings and I remember seeing 250 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:25,709 you there and there was a hilarious 251 00:11:32,210 --> 00:11:29,970 situation where you were being a psychic 252 00:11:33,949 --> 00:11:32,220 for James Randi looking into the future 253 00:11:36,910 --> 00:11:33,959 right now what was the name of that show 254 00:11:39,620 --> 00:11:36,920 the show was called unbelievable was a 255 00:11:42,620 --> 00:11:39,630 six-part i would say skeptically 256 00:11:46,309 --> 00:11:42,630 skeptically enhanced comedy documentary 257 00:11:48,740 --> 00:11:46,319 series on ABC and one of the episodes is 258 00:11:51,019 --> 00:11:48,750 about psychics and the final challenge 259 00:11:53,510 --> 00:11:51,029 was to see what in this particular 260 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:53,520 episode whether i could try to convince 261 00:12:00,189 --> 00:11:56,850 james randi that i was psychic could i 262 00:12:03,439 --> 00:12:00,199 win a simulation of the million-dollar 263 00:12:06,069 --> 00:12:03,449 test yeah so yeah the million-dollar 264 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:06,079 challenge so I had a crystal ball 265 00:12:12,230 --> 00:12:08,730 mounted in this beautiful wooden case 266 00:12:15,650 --> 00:12:12,240 and I said to James Randi and bannerchek 267 00:12:18,230 --> 00:12:15,660 was also there and I they were the 268 00:12:21,740 --> 00:12:18,240 panelists china and i said i can try to 269 00:12:24,290 --> 00:12:21,750 fathom the information from the universe 270 00:12:27,650 --> 00:12:24,300 about anything any question you asked me 271 00:12:28,970 --> 00:12:27,660 but of course what I had inside well 272 00:12:30,829 --> 00:12:28,980 actually they busted me straight away 273 00:12:33,860 --> 00:12:30,839 they knew something fishy was going on 274 00:12:36,230 --> 00:12:33,870 and both banachek and Randy had worked 275 00:12:38,930 --> 00:12:36,240 out that I had something hidden inside 276 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:38,940 the base of the crystal ball I had 277 00:12:44,750 --> 00:12:40,170 uttered atha crystal ball I of course 278 00:12:47,269 --> 00:12:44,760 had an iPad that's idiots in it so I to 279 00:12:49,100 --> 00:12:47,279 google and his own wiki page so I could 280 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:49,110 pretty much say anything i need about 281 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:50,970 James Randi from his own wiki page with 282 00:12:56,809 --> 00:12:53,370 us looking down through crystal ball 283 00:12:58,220 --> 00:12:56,819 it's a hint of life I I think that made 284 00:13:01,100 --> 00:12:58,230 for great television that was a 285 00:13:03,980 --> 00:13:01,110 hilarious segment and it was during the 286 00:13:06,140 --> 00:13:03,990 same visit and I remember I remember 287 00:13:06,770 --> 00:13:06,150 chatting to bannerchek just after this 288 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:06,780 event 289 00:13:10,940 --> 00:13:08,610 you went for a drive with bannerchek 290 00:13:12,890 --> 00:13:10,950 where he was completely blindfolded and 291 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:12,900 it really freaked you out oh absolutely 292 00:13:20,300 --> 00:13:17,490 um so originally I just wanted to film 293 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:20,310 him doing some but maybe a book test or 294 00:13:25,610 --> 00:13:23,130 some sort of easy quick mind reading 295 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:25,620 exercise that he could demonstrate for 296 00:13:31,490 --> 00:13:29,370 my cameras but he suggested now I'll go 297 00:13:35,690 --> 00:13:31,500 for a blindfold drive why don't you 298 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:35,700 bring some Gator tape and and hire a car 299 00:13:40,580 --> 00:13:37,890 and all meet in the car park the next 300 00:13:43,010 --> 00:13:40,590 day so we did that so this was our 301 00:13:45,740 --> 00:13:43,020 vehicle it was our Gator tape he held 302 00:13:48,950 --> 00:13:45,750 coins up to the Sun so we can see that 303 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:48,960 there was no son like that could go 304 00:13:51,980 --> 00:13:50,490 through it wasn't transparent anyone 305 00:13:54,230 --> 00:13:51,990 either with no holes in the coins you 306 00:13:56,900 --> 00:13:54,240 put them over his eyes we gather taped 307 00:14:00,050 --> 00:13:56,910 the coins over his own eye sockets and 308 00:14:02,750 --> 00:14:00,060 pressed it around his face so there were 309 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:02,760 no gaps and then he put a blindfold over 310 00:14:07,550 --> 00:14:05,370 that and then we got inside the car and 311 00:14:09,560 --> 00:14:07,560 this was not his car this is our car 312 00:14:11,990 --> 00:14:09,570 that we had hired and he drove us a 313 00:14:15,620 --> 00:14:12,000 quite high speed through the streets and 314 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:15,630 highways of Las Vegas stopping at red 315 00:14:20,570 --> 00:14:18,090 lights moving past cars turning 316 00:14:24,190 --> 00:14:20,580 correctly on at corners and 317 00:14:26,870 --> 00:14:24,200 intersections and it was terrifying and 318 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:26,880 there was no way I could tell how he did 319 00:14:31,370 --> 00:14:29,370 it and he kept insane I'm not a psychic 320 00:14:32,990 --> 00:14:31,380 I'm a skeptic I'm a magician this is 321 00:14:34,550 --> 00:14:33,000 completely a trick but of course we 322 00:14:37,670 --> 00:14:34,560 couldn't see how you could do the trick 323 00:14:41,450 --> 00:14:37,680 is quite amazing I the funny thing was 324 00:14:43,100 --> 00:14:41,460 during the actual trip we had to keep 325 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:43,110 editing every time I see a cut in the 326 00:14:46,790 --> 00:14:44,610 footage it's probably because either 327 00:14:51,410 --> 00:14:46,800 myself or my camera / swearing because 328 00:14:54,770 --> 00:14:51,420 which is like oh yeah there was a 329 00:14:57,530 --> 00:14:54,780 brilliant brilliant television too and I 330 00:14:59,270 --> 00:14:57,540 really enjoyed that series and I will 331 00:15:01,070 --> 00:14:59,280 admit here I was very naughty I I 332 00:15:03,770 --> 00:15:01,080 accidentally recorded it as it was 333 00:15:05,870 --> 00:15:03,780 pretty broad cast for my own archives if 334 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:05,880 people wanted to look at that series 335 00:15:10,090 --> 00:15:07,650 unbelievable which I think was about two 336 00:15:13,610 --> 00:15:10,100 or three years ago now is that available 337 00:15:14,780 --> 00:15:13,620 yeah yeah i mean like it like yourself I 338 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:14,790 think there's a lot of people who have 339 00:15:19,820 --> 00:15:17,370 torrented or found it or recorded it so 340 00:15:20,759 --> 00:15:19,830 it's out there on the internet at the 341 00:15:23,489 --> 00:15:20,769 moment where 342 00:15:25,949 --> 00:15:23,499 yeah we're looking into trying to get it 343 00:15:27,540 --> 00:15:25,959 up again so that people can can actually 344 00:15:29,009 --> 00:15:27,550 see it will be wonderful little 345 00:15:31,829 --> 00:15:29,019 streaming matter not putting it on 346 00:15:33,329 --> 00:15:31,839 netflix would be amazing yeah oh I think 347 00:15:34,979 --> 00:15:33,339 I think that's a great idea if anybody 348 00:15:37,499 --> 00:15:34,989 from netflix is listening and 349 00:15:39,689 --> 00:15:37,509 unbelievable as a fantastic skeptical 350 00:15:41,789 --> 00:15:39,699 series it was comedy too wasn't it yeah 351 00:15:43,769 --> 00:15:41,799 that's right it's comedy ah it was 352 00:15:46,530 --> 00:15:43,779 common but also quite educational I mean 353 00:15:48,629 --> 00:15:46,540 on one hand I I tried my best not to 354 00:15:51,239 --> 00:15:48,639 make fun of other people why I gave 355 00:15:53,579 --> 00:15:51,249 people the chance to say what they 356 00:15:55,379 --> 00:15:53,589 believed in and their evidence for it 357 00:15:57,989 --> 00:15:55,389 and I really left the audience to judge 358 00:15:59,729 --> 00:15:57,999 for themselves but my main focus was to 359 00:16:03,600 --> 00:15:59,739 in terms of making a comedy was to make 360 00:16:06,479 --> 00:16:03,610 fun of myself in this world both as as a 361 00:16:08,939 --> 00:16:06,489 skeptic and as a human being walking to 362 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:08,949 these strange worlds and and it was 363 00:16:14,189 --> 00:16:11,769 absolutely so much fun to make and I got 364 00:16:16,079 --> 00:16:14,199 so many wonderful emails from teachers 365 00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:16,089 psychology teachers in high school 366 00:16:20,189 --> 00:16:17,920 saying that it should be compulsory 367 00:16:21,539 --> 00:16:20,199 viewing for kids and that's what I love 368 00:16:25,109 --> 00:16:21,549 the most because i didn't think i was 369 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:25,119 making it for schools but what a what it 370 00:16:29,639 --> 00:16:27,970 turned out was the the psychology and a 371 00:16:31,829 --> 00:16:29,649 lot of the skeptical and critical 372 00:16:33,900 --> 00:16:31,839 thinking that i put into the TV show a 373 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:33,910 lot of teachers and students really 374 00:16:38,669 --> 00:16:36,970 loved it yeah for me there was some very 375 00:16:41,129 --> 00:16:38,679 interesting episodes of course the UFOs 376 00:16:43,350 --> 00:16:41,139 I enjoyed it very much but the episode 377 00:16:45,389 --> 00:16:43,360 where you took on the guise of a fortune 378 00:16:48,059 --> 00:16:45,399 teller in the fortune teller tent and 379 00:16:51,989 --> 00:16:48,069 simply rattled off song lyrics at people 380 00:16:54,049 --> 00:16:51,999 and let them read into it what they 381 00:16:56,340 --> 00:16:54,059 wanted to or what it meant to them and 382 00:16:58,199 --> 00:16:56,350 giving you credit than for mystical 383 00:17:00,600 --> 00:16:58,209 insights that was really educational 384 00:17:03,809 --> 00:17:00,610 anything yeah it was interesting I mean 385 00:17:06,779 --> 00:17:03,819 we've seen well a lot of skeptics will 386 00:17:10,139 --> 00:17:06,789 be familiar with the four-test the whole 387 00:17:13,529 --> 00:17:10,149 idea that if you give a whole bunch of 388 00:17:16,439 --> 00:17:13,539 random people fortune-telling leadings 389 00:17:18,120 --> 00:17:16,449 often people can read read into it and 390 00:17:20,909 --> 00:17:18,130 say that it's about themselves and of 391 00:17:23,970 --> 00:17:20,919 course you then prove hey I gave you all 392 00:17:25,769 --> 00:17:23,980 exactly the same reading and that's you 393 00:17:27,870 --> 00:17:25,779 that's usually the for example to 394 00:17:30,930 --> 00:17:27,880 explain how there's a lot of cold 395 00:17:33,790 --> 00:17:30,940 reading and sort of self-deception and 396 00:17:36,580 --> 00:17:33,800 delusion that goes along in reading into 397 00:17:38,410 --> 00:17:36,590 psychic readings but what we decided to 398 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:38,420 do it for TV was to make that type of 399 00:17:44,020 --> 00:17:41,570 test more entertaining and so instead of 400 00:17:48,070 --> 00:17:44,030 making the usual rainbow statements or 401 00:17:51,580 --> 00:17:48,080 40 type statements we basically used 402 00:17:55,510 --> 00:17:51,590 lyrics from karaoke yes and we projected 403 00:17:58,960 --> 00:17:55,520 on a screen behind our subjects and I 404 00:18:02,410 --> 00:17:58,970 would read the karaoke lyrics directly 405 00:18:03,670 --> 00:18:02,420 to the to the subject unbeknownst to 406 00:18:06,070 --> 00:18:03,680 them that there was a screen right 407 00:18:09,340 --> 00:18:06,080 behind their head and turned out that 408 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:09,350 they would believe these statements and 409 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:11,450 the funny thing was I we started off 410 00:18:15,300 --> 00:18:13,370 doing the typical forest statements 411 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:15,310 you'd find with cold reading type 412 00:18:19,660 --> 00:18:18,170 fortune-telling exercises but people 413 00:18:21,070 --> 00:18:19,670 didn't believe those I thought arts to 414 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:21,080 general but when we went into the 415 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:23,890 bizarre Madonna or ever burn em lyrics 416 00:18:32,410 --> 00:18:27,410 people were reading into those more and 417 00:18:33,790 --> 00:18:32,420 so what it turned out was if you go to 418 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:33,800 general people won't believe it but if 419 00:18:39,430 --> 00:18:36,290 you go ultra specific and quite absurd 420 00:18:40,990 --> 00:18:39,440 people will work harder into into China 421 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:41,000 believe it and come up with a 422 00:18:45,790 --> 00:18:43,690 justification of their own wow that's 423 00:18:48,610 --> 00:18:45,800 fascinating it's almost worth the paper 424 00:18:49,990 --> 00:18:48,620 that then yeah yeah that's really 425 00:18:52,690 --> 00:18:50,000 interesting stuff from The Skeptical 426 00:18:55,390 --> 00:18:52,700 point of view and doing as someone who 427 00:18:57,490 --> 00:18:55,400 investigates these people it works so 428 00:18:59,590 --> 00:18:57,500 well that people were telling me that 429 00:19:02,290 --> 00:18:59,600 they thought it was a comedy sketch that 430 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:02,300 we had just got actors and I've written 431 00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:03,890 a script and people were just acting 432 00:19:07,660 --> 00:19:06,080 along to a script but they were genuine 433 00:19:10,540 --> 00:19:07,670 people who didn't know what was going on 434 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:10,550 just to test out the actual examples of 435 00:19:16,650 --> 00:19:13,850 how cold reading would work so it was 436 00:19:19,900 --> 00:19:16,660 actually genuine ya know great series a 437 00:19:22,210 --> 00:19:19,910 memorable series i am i hope i hope it 438 00:19:23,740 --> 00:19:22,220 become widely available so people all 439 00:19:25,150 --> 00:19:23,750 around the world can look at it but i 440 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:25,160 think you've been doing some other 441 00:19:30,100 --> 00:19:27,770 television just recently huh yes that's 442 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:30,110 right i made a series called a maximum 443 00:19:35,770 --> 00:19:33,290 topic and it was six-part our kung fu 444 00:19:40,620 --> 00:19:35,780 comedy series some would say australia's 445 00:19:43,150 --> 00:19:40,630 best company commissary australia's only 446 00:19:45,790 --> 00:19:43,160 and that was absolutely great fun it was 447 00:19:46,930 --> 00:19:45,800 an ABC to series where we filmed it in 448 00:19:51,130 --> 00:19:46,940 cabramatta and we heard 449 00:19:53,170 --> 00:19:51,140 a lot of genuine you know stunt work 450 00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:53,180 workers and martial artists in the 451 00:19:57,670 --> 00:19:55,370 series both acting on screen and also 452 00:20:00,700 --> 00:19:57,680 being out doubles our stunt doubles and 453 00:20:02,740 --> 00:20:00,710 it was just so much fun good for you i'm 454 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:02,750 glad i'm glad that you're still on our 455 00:20:07,360 --> 00:20:05,570 screen so to speak however for our 456 00:20:10,360 --> 00:20:07,370 sydney listeners the news is of course 457 00:20:12,820 --> 00:20:10,370 tonight it's the show the escapist with 458 00:20:15,820 --> 00:20:12,830 lauren slung at that was at the factory 459 00:20:19,060 --> 00:20:15,830 was enlarged yeah factory theatre 7 p-7 460 00:20:22,110 --> 00:20:19,070 15 p.m. this evening that's right now if 461 00:20:25,390 --> 00:20:22,120 you go to Lawrence's website which is 462 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:25,400 wwan saloon calm and i'll link that on 463 00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:26,930 the show notes or google lawrence long 464 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:29,120 you should be i'll do see hopefully 465 00:20:33,210 --> 00:20:30,890 fingers crossed see if there are still 466 00:20:37,090 --> 00:20:33,220 some tickets for tonight's performance 467 00:20:39,790 --> 00:20:37,100 otherwise our check out WWD comedy 468 00:20:43,570 --> 00:20:39,800 festival combo you and just do a search 469 00:20:45,540 --> 00:20:43,580 for the escapist and the links and the 470 00:20:47,410 --> 00:20:45,550 booking place we'll all be there 471 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:47,420 excellent well thanks Lawrence and 472 00:20:50,020 --> 00:20:48,770 thanks for the show last night we had a 473 00:20:52,180 --> 00:20:50,030 great time the audience really 474 00:20:55,300 --> 00:20:52,190 appreciate it and it's good to know that 475 00:20:58,480 --> 00:20:55,310 there at least some skeptical people out 476 00:21:05,980 --> 00:20:58,490 there in the media hahaha good to speak 477 00:21:21,410 --> 00:21:18,110 on Manor con dar you boo banga Tim 478 00:21:23,630 --> 00:21:21,420 Ferguson's right of reply get this and 479 00:21:26,330 --> 00:21:23,640 get it straight a guy called mark Lionel 480 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:26,340 was the first person to complain about 481 00:21:32,780 --> 00:21:29,370 genetically modified crops and he said 482 00:21:34,700 --> 00:21:32,790 that the new strains developed would eat 483 00:21:37,730 --> 00:21:34,710 all the other strains because they'd be 484 00:21:40,670 --> 00:21:37,740 stronger strains and would basically be 485 00:21:43,910 --> 00:21:40,680 the end of the world he reversed his 486 00:21:46,490 --> 00:21:43,920 position after he had gone and 487 00:21:48,530 --> 00:21:46,500 researched his position and realized 488 00:21:51,530 --> 00:21:48,540 that this is buncombe that in fact 489 00:21:53,870 --> 00:21:51,540 people and God itself have been 490 00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:53,880 genetically modifying all sorts of 491 00:21:59,960 --> 00:21:56,400 things from the word go do you realize 492 00:22:03,530 --> 00:21:59,970 that bananas themselves only a few years 493 00:22:07,100 --> 00:22:03,540 ago the original banana was in fact a 494 00:22:09,710 --> 00:22:07,110 small dark fruit filled with seeds and 495 00:22:11,570 --> 00:22:09,720 it we all eat bananas and they haven't 496 00:22:15,020 --> 00:22:11,580 gone and destroyed anything there hasn't 497 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:15,030 been a banana plague but against these 498 00:22:20,180 --> 00:22:18,570 facts South Australia which is a part of 499 00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,190 Australia that we keep in the south so 500 00:22:24,380 --> 00:22:22,320 it doesn't touch anybody or drink too 501 00:22:26,180 --> 00:22:24,390 much wine or kill people with barrels 502 00:22:28,370 --> 00:22:26,190 although there were no convicts there 503 00:22:32,300 --> 00:22:28,380 initially know exactly just a whole 504 00:22:34,940 --> 00:22:32,310 bunch of Germans that rings a bell South 505 00:22:38,030 --> 00:22:34,950 Australia has decided it will extend a 506 00:22:43,070 --> 00:22:38,040 moratorium on genetically modified crops 507 00:22:46,820 --> 00:22:43,080 until at least 2019 and this is for no 508 00:22:50,450 --> 00:22:46,830 sensible logical or scientifically 509 00:22:52,910 --> 00:22:50,460 backed reason this is purely conjecture 510 00:22:54,890 --> 00:22:52,920 based upon superstition I think 511 00:22:58,490 --> 00:22:54,900 Morrissey's that brought it Morrissey 512 00:23:00,860 --> 00:22:58,500 thinks it's great and only a gum sucking 513 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:00,870 idiot or someone from South Australia 514 00:23:05,930 --> 00:23:03,090 who's trying to suck up to the rather 515 00:23:08,150 --> 00:23:05,940 large green contingent in the parliament 516 00:23:10,910 --> 00:23:08,160 who are also idiots who believe this 517 00:23:13,310 --> 00:23:10,920 fantasy would ever go with it being 518 00:23:16,370 --> 00:23:13,320 against genetically modified crops means 519 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:16,380 you are being Pro crops that require 520 00:23:22,730 --> 00:23:19,770 more land that require more water crops 521 00:23:26,120 --> 00:23:22,740 that cannot help countries that are 522 00:23:27,379 --> 00:23:26,130 drier even than our own the reason why 523 00:23:29,569 --> 00:23:27,389 we're genetically modify 524 00:23:32,839 --> 00:23:29,579 my crops is so that the crops will 525 00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:32,849 survive and give us higher yields with 526 00:23:40,009 --> 00:23:36,320 less water less land all over the world 527 00:23:42,619 --> 00:23:40,019 South Australia stand up and join the 528 00:23:45,139 --> 00:23:42,629 crowd and what's the reason what's the 529 00:23:47,089 --> 00:23:45,149 reason they gave some dumb not a 530 00:23:49,489 --> 00:23:47,099 minister called Leon Bignell who won't 531 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:49,499 last long has probably gone already said 532 00:23:53,629 --> 00:23:51,450 we've got a strong reputation not just 533 00:23:57,169 --> 00:23:53,639 around Australia but around the world 534 00:23:59,329 --> 00:23:57,179 for producing clean green premium food 535 00:24:02,180 --> 00:23:59,339 it doesn't matter whether it's 536 00:24:04,639 --> 00:24:02,190 genetically modified or not it's grown 537 00:24:06,619 --> 00:24:04,649 out of the ground it's organic and of 538 00:24:09,379 --> 00:24:06,629 course it's clean and green get it 539 00:24:11,989 --> 00:24:09,389 together monkeys that has been Tim 540 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:11,999 Ferguson's right of reply to a question 541 00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:14,369 no one asked with an answer that people 542 00:24:22,369 --> 00:24:18,809 might not want to hear thank you very 543 00:24:28,519 --> 00:24:22,379 much oh I do like saying things that are 544 00:24:37,740 --> 00:24:33,210 here's my not spooky action at a 545 00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:42,990 just the cover 546 00:24:49,470 --> 00:24:45,660 yes may not you can stand by me we're 547 00:24:53,370 --> 00:24:49,480 here at cafe to 0 for 2 20 foot to cafe 548 00:24:56,250 --> 00:24:53,380 and deli in New Town where my origami 549 00:24:58,020 --> 00:24:56,260 photography exhibition is and it's all 550 00:24:59,580 --> 00:24:58,030 been happening this week been a bit of 551 00:25:01,050 --> 00:24:59,590 paranormal action going on this week 552 00:25:02,250 --> 00:25:01,060 that all skeptics should have their eyes 553 00:25:04,650 --> 00:25:02,260 on because a couple of big things 554 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:04,660 they've broken but if excited my tiny a 555 00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:06,610 brain and made me fill my undies with 556 00:25:10,890 --> 00:25:08,710 Wonder really they know that's unusual 557 00:25:12,420 --> 00:25:10,900 what's happening in the paranormal world 558 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:12,430 because you like to keep your finger on 559 00:25:15,540 --> 00:25:13,690 the pulse of these things look that I 560 00:25:17,100 --> 00:25:15,550 look I keep up on the game there cause 561 00:25:19,170 --> 00:25:17,110 of my good friend Jamie Leonardo Jay 562 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:19,180 cats he's got his eye across all 563 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:21,970 potential theories of everything and he 564 00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:23,890 was it he gave me a call other day and 565 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:25,360 he said look my night it's been a bit of 566 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:27,370 a disappointment with this alien slide 567 00:25:31,890 --> 00:25:29,050 that was revealed in Mexico there was a 568 00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:31,900 real I a slide there was two kodachrome 569 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:34,240 slides found in the Attic of a couple 570 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:36,010 that had fairly good connections to the 571 00:25:39,780 --> 00:25:37,930 Eisenhower administration apparently and 572 00:25:41,970 --> 00:25:39,790 there was a slide that was going to be 573 00:25:43,290 --> 00:25:41,980 shown to 6,000 people in a stadium in 574 00:25:44,910 --> 00:25:43,300 Mexico which is where all major 575 00:25:47,850 --> 00:25:44,920 scientific discoveries are usually 576 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:47,860 unveiled at in a stadium and it was 577 00:25:51,210 --> 00:25:49,450 found that the slide was somewhat 578 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:51,220 disappointing everyone thinks that no it 579 00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:52,450 looks like something that was may be 580 00:25:56,190 --> 00:25:54,880 taken in a museum during the 50s or 581 00:25:58,260 --> 00:25:56,200 something like that it doesn't look like 582 00:26:00,210 --> 00:25:58,270 that's the way you would display an 583 00:26:02,190 --> 00:26:00,220 alien if that was an alien under a glass 584 00:26:04,170 --> 00:26:02,200 case but disappointing that one there 585 00:26:05,370 --> 00:26:04,180 unfortunately for people who are 586 00:26:06,810 --> 00:26:05,380 interested in UFOs and people who 587 00:26:08,550 --> 00:26:06,820 weren't it seems like it's a bit of a 588 00:26:09,810 --> 00:26:08,560 non-starter but the one that's been a 589 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:09,820 big starter and the one that I'm sure 590 00:26:13,860 --> 00:26:11,650 all this is a skeptic was oh no I've 591 00:26:15,930 --> 00:26:13,870 been pushing for many years is hologram 592 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:15,940 theory look that up on Wikipedia for the 593 00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:18,970 simple definition of it but basically 594 00:26:25,980 --> 00:26:22,240 there's been a few mathematical physics 595 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:25,990 mathematics done by some fizz physicists 596 00:26:29,580 --> 00:26:28,210 theoretical physicists that may point to 597 00:26:31,710 --> 00:26:29,590 the fact that we are living in the three 598 00:26:33,810 --> 00:26:31,720 dimension three-dimensional reproduction 599 00:26:35,670 --> 00:26:33,820 coming from a two dimensional object I 600 00:26:37,620 --> 00:26:35,680 can't get my one-dimensional brain 601 00:26:40,170 --> 00:26:37,630 around that no I actually read some of 602 00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:40,180 this physics and yeah I don't understand 603 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:41,710 at all I thought maybe we should get 604 00:26:45,300 --> 00:26:43,810 some one of the skeptics on this who 605 00:26:46,410 --> 00:26:45,310 knows a bit about it but look I'm all 606 00:26:47,910 --> 00:26:46,420 down with the fact that we are a 607 00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:47,920 projection because certain things don't 608 00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:49,840 make sense in this world and i think 609 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:52,000 that is entirely due to the fact earlier 610 00:26:54,860 --> 00:26:53,890 a three-dimensional representation being 611 00:26:56,900 --> 00:26:54,870 projected for mature women 612 00:26:59,210 --> 00:26:56,910 an object such as the side of a black 613 00:27:01,160 --> 00:26:59,220 hole or something the side of a black 614 00:27:02,930 --> 00:27:01,170 hole hmm because everything will be 615 00:27:04,370 --> 00:27:02,940 squished so flat that there would be no 616 00:27:06,500 --> 00:27:04,380 third dimension on the side of a black 617 00:27:08,570 --> 00:27:06,510 hole I'm just theoretically sound 618 00:27:10,190 --> 00:27:08,580 starting to freak out my taint my tiny 619 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:10,200 he pretty well this is where this thing 620 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:11,850 kind of goes but because I'm into 621 00:27:15,890 --> 00:27:14,010 thinking about such things and you know 622 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:15,900 I am a critical thinker which means I'm 623 00:27:20,270 --> 00:27:18,330 I love the work of in co Coco despite 624 00:27:23,570 --> 00:27:20,280 while skeptics guide the universe says 625 00:27:25,490 --> 00:27:23,580 I'm down with that guy now I'm probably 626 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:25,500 a you know I'm probably giving people 627 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:27,530 I'm bridges mr. Ferguson would say 628 00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:30,090 Ferguson where in fact I just played the 629 00:27:33,380 --> 00:27:31,679 promotion for bunga bunga how's that 630 00:27:36,530 --> 00:27:33,390 going well in the the latest episode 631 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:36,540 bunga bunga 14 Tim comes we we hit a lot 632 00:27:40,180 --> 00:27:38,490 of skeptical topic so you had fracking 633 00:27:43,610 --> 00:27:40,190 the other week we spoke about 634 00:27:45,530 --> 00:27:43,620 vaccinations we spoke about the policy 635 00:27:46,970 --> 00:27:45,540 of the the Abbott government and I think 636 00:27:49,549 --> 00:27:46,980 you've got cut them coming up in future 637 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:49,559 weeks and Tim's not scared to to put his 638 00:27:54,590 --> 00:27:52,410 foot in in the bumhole of conventional 639 00:27:57,799 --> 00:27:54,600 and unconventional thinking Tim's a 640 00:27:59,780 --> 00:27:57,809 fearless fearless comedian Moorea that's 641 00:28:02,570 --> 00:27:59,790 right look and I definitely think he's a 642 00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:02,580 critical thinker as someone with MS I 643 00:28:07,460 --> 00:28:04,320 think he said on this show that lots of 644 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:07,470 people often emailing him with potential 645 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:09,330 cures for ms that are not known to the 646 00:28:13,370 --> 00:28:11,490 medical world for good reason and he 647 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:13,380 usually emails it back to them and says 648 00:28:16,460 --> 00:28:14,730 something like yeah I tried that and 649 00:28:19,340 --> 00:28:16,470 that gave me a mess that's what ignore 650 00:28:20,930 --> 00:28:19,350 me does he likes to stir the pot he does 651 00:28:22,820 --> 00:28:20,940 well thanks me none for this little 652 00:28:25,070 --> 00:28:22,830 update we look forward to more Maynard 653 00:28:26,780 --> 00:28:25,080 spooky action in the coming weeks we'll 654 00:28:28,190 --> 00:28:26,790 be having summit and tune into bunga 655 00:28:30,049 --> 00:28:28,200 bunga and see what's going on there or 656 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:30,059 Maynard com that are you I've got an 657 00:28:34,730 --> 00:28:32,970 interview with a a stray lien film 658 00:28:36,380 --> 00:28:34,740 director this week movie called the 659 00:28:38,419 --> 00:28:36,390 heckler which is all about swapping 660 00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:38,429 bodies and doing things like that and 661 00:28:41,810 --> 00:28:40,110 for the critical thinker it's very 662 00:28:44,270 --> 00:28:41,820 interesting because he when you're 663 00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:44,280 trying to distribute films around 664 00:28:47,690 --> 00:28:45,510 Australia you've got to get people's 665 00:28:49,490 --> 00:28:47,700 attentions and people who put things 666 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:49,500 onto television around Australia 667 00:28:53,090 --> 00:28:51,690 probably aren't being as sharp and as 668 00:28:55,070 --> 00:28:53,100 critically thinking as they should be 669 00:28:56,450 --> 00:28:55,080 that's all I'm saying 670 00:28:58,639 --> 00:28:56,460 you heard it here first Thanks may not 671 00:29:00,620 --> 00:28:58,649 lit sir let's have some lunch i'm hungry 672 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:00,630 and remember we're living in a 673 00:29:03,409 --> 00:29:01,890 three-dimensional world is projected 674 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:03,419 from a two-dimensional object you heard 675 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:24,170 rust 30 minute video fear of the Islamic 676 00:29:28,370 --> 00:29:26,370 law be so skeptical museum was not a 677 00:29:30,350 --> 00:29:28,380 stray cat recorded carded we need a live 678 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:30,360 mas clear it algebra shampoo Suzette 679 00:29:34,370 --> 00:29:32,010 Nash podcast Petrova hooded gardening 680 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:34,380 Janie what customs White's escaped aside 681 00:29:39,050 --> 00:29:35,970 a cutter bombers just not inertia dayton 682 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:39,060 st at the web / skeptics society coach 683 00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:43,290 guru everybody my name is carol and i'm 684 00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:44,910 the founder of skeptics society russia 685 00:29:48,770 --> 00:29:46,710 come visit us in moscow and our 686 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:48,780 bi-weekly meetings and also listen to 687 00:29:52,010 --> 00:29:50,130 our weekly podcast which is called 688 00:30:04,510 --> 00:29:52,020 skeptic and the site where you can find 689 00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:07,070 welcome to awaken science from our ayats 690 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:08,910 bringing you the science you need to 691 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:11,490 know what are the science jobs of the 692 00:30:15,140 --> 00:30:13,890 future well we've put our prediction hat 693 00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:15,150 on and we've come up with a few 694 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:21,840 out-of-the-box ideas a global future 695 00:30:26,690 --> 00:30:23,850 farmer is going to use advanced 696 00:30:28,670 --> 00:30:26,700 technology to produce food future 697 00:30:30,980 --> 00:30:28,680 farmers will be experts in using drones 698 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:30,990 and satellite imagery and we'll be able 699 00:30:36,170 --> 00:30:33,690 to scan plant and animal genes to find 700 00:30:38,810 --> 00:30:36,180 the best produce farms themselves may 701 00:30:41,390 --> 00:30:38,820 change with more vertical farms rather 702 00:30:44,750 --> 00:30:41,400 than expansive fields and herds of 703 00:30:46,910 --> 00:30:44,760 farmed locusts replacing cows policing 704 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:46,920 will change too with more focus on cyber 705 00:30:52,370 --> 00:30:49,890 policing cyber security experts will 706 00:30:54,860 --> 00:30:52,380 need to continue to create technology to 707 00:30:58,019 --> 00:30:54,870 prevent criminals from hacking and to 708 00:31:02,969 --> 00:31:00,389 nano medics could be the future of 709 00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:02,979 Medicine they'll engineer smart nano 710 00:31:07,950 --> 00:31:05,200 materials such as self-healing polymers 711 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:07,960 and develop wearable smart devices which 712 00:31:12,479 --> 00:31:10,090 constantly monitor a person's health and 713 00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:12,489 automatically make changes to maintain 714 00:31:18,089 --> 00:31:15,279 perfect health and heal injuries will 715 00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:18,099 need a waste managers to develop an 716 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:20,049 oversea ways of getting rid of high 717 00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:22,450 technology waste this could include 718 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:25,840 reusing industrial waste or recycling 719 00:31:30,690 --> 00:31:28,330 technology and forget travel agents in 720 00:31:33,930 --> 00:31:30,700 the future they could be dimensional 721 00:31:36,629 --> 00:31:33,940 time and space experts managing space 722 00:31:38,940 --> 00:31:36,639 travel and augmented reality experiences 723 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:38,950 people could travel to the outer reaches 724 00:31:43,589 --> 00:31:41,049 of the solar system or other amazing 725 00:31:48,469 --> 00:31:43,599 worlds without having to leave Earth and 726 00:31:53,339 --> 00:31:51,119 the United States has predicted STEM 727 00:31:55,709 --> 00:31:53,349 careers will grow by around seventeen 728 00:31:58,889 --> 00:31:55,719 percent each year compared to less than 729 00:32:01,259 --> 00:31:58,899 ten percent for non stem jobs again in 730 00:32:03,299 --> 00:32:01,269 the United States people working in STEM 731 00:32:05,399 --> 00:32:03,309 jobs earn an average of twenty six 732 00:32:08,369 --> 00:32:05,409 percent more than people in non-stem 733 00:32:09,930 --> 00:32:08,379 roles in Australia seventy-five percent 734 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:09,940 of the fastest growing occupations 735 00:32:15,659 --> 00:32:13,330 require stem knowledge and skills and 736 00:32:17,310 --> 00:32:15,669 don't look at stem studies necessarily 737 00:32:20,489 --> 00:32:17,320 it's locking you into a future in 738 00:32:22,019 --> 00:32:20,499 science more and more employers in many 739 00:32:24,810 --> 00:32:22,029 different fields are looking for people 740 00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:24,820 with STEM skills that's it for this week 741 00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:27,039 in science for more information on 742 00:32:35,549 --> 00:32:29,769 future stem careers go to the rirs 743 00:32:38,190 --> 00:32:35,559 website RI aus org dot a you follow us 744 00:32:40,859 --> 00:32:38,200 on twitter at RI oz and like us on 745 00:32:59,460 --> 00:32:40,869 facebook I'm telly Amaya and we'll catch 746 00:33:05,470 --> 00:33:02,320 the skeptic magazine the journal from 747 00:33:07,690 --> 00:33:05,480 Australian skeptics subscribe online to 748 00:33:13,050 --> 00:33:07,700 the world's second oldest skeptical 749 00:33:16,180 --> 00:33:13,060 magazine visit w WC oau and click the 750 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:16,190 publication's league you can also find 751 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:20,570 their over 30 years on back issues free 752 00:33:39,340 --> 00:33:23,690 to download the skeptic magazine from 753 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:42,380 so here I am on skype with tattoo 754 00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:45,090 written and Marcus and Elaine skeptical 755 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:47,910 activist from Helsinki in Finland hello 756 00:33:52,850 --> 00:33:50,730 there hello so nice hello I'm now so 757 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:52,860 nice of you to join me hey Pancho / the 758 00:33:56,090 --> 00:33:54,810 beer so under the reason I wanted to 759 00:33:58,340 --> 00:33:56,100 talk to you is that you recently 760 00:34:00,410 --> 00:33:58,350 organized a very special event in 761 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:00,420 Helsinki can you tell me a little bit 762 00:34:04,370 --> 00:34:02,490 about that sure I don't think I think 763 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:04,380 you think is a we did it the first time 764 00:34:09,710 --> 00:34:07,170 this time in April about a month ago and 765 00:34:12,260 --> 00:34:09,720 we wanted to try a new thing where we 766 00:34:14,270 --> 00:34:12,270 have a stand-up comedian scientists and 767 00:34:16,820 --> 00:34:14,280 critical thinkers like James Randi on 768 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:16,830 stage for the same time this time was 769 00:34:21,290 --> 00:34:18,810 three and a half hours and 750 people 770 00:34:23,330 --> 00:34:21,300 were there in Helsinki and we also 771 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:23,340 streamed it live across the world in 772 00:34:27,740 --> 00:34:25,290 English that that's fantastic this is 773 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:27,750 your first event right yes actually we 774 00:34:33,710 --> 00:34:31,650 have never before arranged any events so 775 00:34:35,780 --> 00:34:33,720 maybe like Lucas at the first time but 776 00:34:38,540 --> 00:34:35,790 said well I have I have pretty big 777 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:38,550 birthdays in my history but yeah I think 778 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:40,530 that's quite impressive how did it get 779 00:34:45,740 --> 00:34:43,410 all how did he get started we were last 780 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:45,750 tune in Stockholm and watching Lewis 781 00:34:50,750 --> 00:34:48,450 blacks stand up kick and after the geek 782 00:34:53,210 --> 00:34:50,760 we went to the pub and had some beers 783 00:34:55,100 --> 00:34:53,220 and event then maybe started thinking 784 00:34:56,750 --> 00:34:55,110 that maybe someday white why don't we 785 00:34:59,690 --> 00:34:56,760 bring those people in Finland in 786 00:35:02,390 --> 00:34:59,700 Helsinki yeah and also that the standard 787 00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:02,400 culture is very young still and still in 788 00:35:07,070 --> 00:35:04,800 a in Finland and even in Scandinavia in 789 00:35:08,690 --> 00:35:07,080 Europe and it we me and that'll really 790 00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:08,700 enjoyed the stand-up scene and the 791 00:35:13,370 --> 00:35:11,250 critical stand-up guys from America and 792 00:35:14,930 --> 00:35:13,380 the UK and we were thinking why why 793 00:35:16,910 --> 00:35:14,940 couldn't we those guys come more often 794 00:35:18,410 --> 00:35:16,920 to Helsinki to do their thing and then 795 00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:18,420 then I thought after the third 796 00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:20,160 old-fashioned this maybe we should have 797 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:22,440 scientists there as well like Carl Sagan 798 00:35:26,570 --> 00:35:24,330 and neil degrasse tyson fantastic but 799 00:35:29,210 --> 00:35:26,580 how did you get someone like games Randy 800 00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:29,220 for instance to come to your at the 801 00:35:34,970 --> 00:35:31,710 point unheard-of event it actually it's 802 00:35:37,970 --> 00:35:34,980 quite easy you take a phone or a call or 803 00:35:42,830 --> 00:35:37,980 four at an email yeah promise a lots of 804 00:35:45,050 --> 00:35:42,840 money yeah that means you had to fund it 805 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:45,060 somehow how did you find this now it's a 806 00:35:50,810 --> 00:35:47,610 test that we fight a few sponsors and we 807 00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:50,820 try to find a lot of partners who we can 808 00:35:55,099 --> 00:35:52,049 get a good prices from 809 00:35:56,809 --> 00:35:55,109 on their services and as we've been 810 00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:56,819 doing this in terms of marketing and 811 00:36:00,439 --> 00:35:58,170 advertising and all that stuff for over 812 00:36:02,749 --> 00:36:00,449 15 years so that's something we kind of 813 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:02,759 know better than better than other stuff 814 00:36:05,989 --> 00:36:04,170 so we weren't really rookies in this 815 00:36:08,689 --> 00:36:05,999 kind of the whole ideology of doing a 816 00:36:11,359 --> 00:36:08,699 events and how what what was the outcome 817 00:36:13,849 --> 00:36:11,369 was it a big success how did have it was 818 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:13,859 how was it received well I mean terms of 819 00:36:19,009 --> 00:36:16,410 media for the last week I really hadn't 820 00:36:20,479 --> 00:36:19,019 planned on any media interviews or 821 00:36:22,130 --> 00:36:20,489 anything else I was planning to drive 822 00:36:24,410 --> 00:36:22,140 james randi around to a couple of 823 00:36:26,539 --> 00:36:24,420 interviews but it ended up data with me 824 00:36:30,979 --> 00:36:26,549 more than James Randi and they do Brandi 825 00:36:33,229 --> 00:36:30,989 a lot fantastic so who else was there it 826 00:36:35,539 --> 00:36:33,239 apart from games Randy we have some 827 00:36:37,549 --> 00:36:35,549 local scientists like Edith Hobart and 828 00:36:41,419 --> 00:36:37,559 sooo cute a sign in and then we have the 829 00:36:42,919 --> 00:36:41,429 from Liverpool University tarnish ears 830 00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:42,929 and obviously working at the Large 831 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:45,839 Hadron Collider American out now that I 832 00:36:50,479 --> 00:36:47,729 think British comedian Tracy not be 833 00:36:53,269 --> 00:36:50,489 hunter yeah original D hunter is and 834 00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:53,279 it's an interesting character because as 835 00:36:57,679 --> 00:36:55,920 we all know Scandinavia and Finland are 836 00:36:59,779 --> 00:36:57,689 full of white people and this whole idea 837 00:37:02,179 --> 00:36:59,789 of you know black people and racism is 838 00:37:04,449 --> 00:37:02,189 still there and one parts of being 839 00:37:06,229 --> 00:37:04,459 critical thinker thought to have a 840 00:37:08,779 --> 00:37:06,239 retinal t hunter there who is a 841 00:37:10,819 --> 00:37:08,789 brilliant just brilliant jokes on racial 842 00:37:13,069 --> 00:37:10,829 issues because it's kind of this main 843 00:37:16,099 --> 00:37:13,079 story is doing this American black guy 844 00:37:18,289 --> 00:37:16,109 coming to Europe how is he seen here and 845 00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:18,299 how is he's kinda proach dear so where 846 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:21,209 is this was this a one-time thing then 847 00:37:24,859 --> 00:37:22,890 you will never do it again or what's the 848 00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:24,869 plans going forward actually this is 849 00:37:31,999 --> 00:37:28,049 crow wing goes originally was planned to 850 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:32,009 11 even annually and now it seems that 851 00:37:37,069 --> 00:37:34,170 we are going to do to eat at least two 852 00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:37,079 events every year and our next event is 853 00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:39,119 gonna parents in September of this year 854 00:37:46,099 --> 00:37:42,089 so who have you lined up for that event 855 00:37:48,410 --> 00:37:46,109 we have a doctor and a skeptic Ben 856 00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:48,420 Goldacre the writer bad pharma and bad 857 00:37:53,569 --> 00:37:51,209 science we have a son of Adam irukku the 858 00:37:55,849 --> 00:37:53,579 indian guy who was fighting against the 859 00:37:58,279 --> 00:37:55,859 Christian Church India and has now been 860 00:38:00,709 --> 00:37:58,289 in exile for two years because he can't 861 00:38:03,319 --> 00:38:00,719 go back to India he lives in Finland now 862 00:38:05,089 --> 00:38:03,329 on he does here because you know it's 863 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:05,099 the most nice place in the world as you 864 00:38:08,799 --> 00:38:05,930 know 865 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:08,809 I'm sure it is and we have a Robin Ince 866 00:38:13,180 --> 00:38:11,450 the is probably most known currently 867 00:38:15,609 --> 00:38:13,190 from being the other half with Brian Cox 868 00:38:18,010 --> 00:38:15,619 on the infinite monkey cage podcast and 869 00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:18,020 he's also the former writing corner of 870 00:38:22,210 --> 00:38:19,760 Ricky Gervais I think and brilliant 871 00:38:25,210 --> 00:38:22,220 comedian a very very good guy and and a 872 00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:25,220 brilliant thinker and we have a yellow 873 00:38:29,530 --> 00:38:27,440 ribbon and who is the part of micro 874 00:38:31,690 --> 00:38:29,540 particle researcher in the atmosphere 875 00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:31,700 now a professor in the university is 876 00:38:37,450 --> 00:38:34,400 calm but I think you are not you don't 877 00:38:40,059 --> 00:38:37,460 have a scientific background do you know 878 00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:40,069 maybe it's just a ordinary dudes well 879 00:38:48,130 --> 00:38:44,000 I'm a coder / salesperson / any kind of 880 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:48,140 person / dad sorry that'll continue yeah 881 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:51,050 my art director in marketing business 882 00:38:57,490 --> 00:38:54,290 mostly in digital but yeah but director 883 00:38:59,740 --> 00:38:57,500 so I understand also that there is an 884 00:39:02,260 --> 00:38:59,750 official national skeptics association 885 00:39:04,270 --> 00:39:02,270 in Finland called skep seas are you part 886 00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:04,280 of though them or have you started 887 00:39:10,539 --> 00:39:07,520 something separate well we are both 888 00:39:13,329 --> 00:39:10,549 members of the that society but what we 889 00:39:16,809 --> 00:39:13,339 are doing is separate thing of course we 890 00:39:19,839 --> 00:39:16,819 like to combine all the skeptics in 891 00:39:22,839 --> 00:39:19,849 Finland and cooperate with them but so 892 00:39:26,559 --> 00:39:22,849 we are not only doing this for a skeptic 893 00:39:28,299 --> 00:39:26,569 society you have arranged one big event 894 00:39:31,150 --> 00:39:28,309 you have another one coming in in 895 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:31,160 September what is the future for you too 896 00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:34,010 well we have to make we have to pay for 897 00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:35,599 all of this eventually so we probably 898 00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:37,910 have to grow the event or do a tour kind 899 00:39:42,430 --> 00:39:39,680 of thing with its already been asked and 900 00:39:44,500 --> 00:39:42,440 it's it's kind of been a solution for a 901 00:39:47,170 --> 00:39:44,510 long time already if we're bringing 902 00:39:48,789 --> 00:39:47,180 these awesome speakers performers here 903 00:39:50,980 --> 00:39:48,799 just in Finland in Finland this is 904 00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:50,990 rather small city and the biggest venue 905 00:39:55,539 --> 00:39:53,089 is like 1400 people I mean apart from a 906 00:39:58,270 --> 00:39:55,549 hockey arena but we're not going to feel 907 00:40:00,730 --> 00:39:58,280 14,000 people and we don't really want 908 00:40:04,059 --> 00:40:00,740 we want more you know nice atmosphere so 909 00:40:05,319 --> 00:40:04,069 going to say Sweden or Denmark or Norway 910 00:40:07,390 --> 00:40:05,329 because they're close by and very 911 00:40:08,829 --> 00:40:07,400 similar culture so that's an interesting 912 00:40:11,980 --> 00:40:08,839 idea where we're toying with at the 913 00:40:13,780 --> 00:40:11,990 moment alright so how is the situation 914 00:40:17,530 --> 00:40:13,790 in Finland can you give me some examples 915 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:17,540 of prominent pseudoscience or other whoo 916 00:40:21,330 --> 00:40:18,850 in Finland 917 00:40:25,230 --> 00:40:21,340 so the science has been getting so much 918 00:40:28,110 --> 00:40:25,240 attention in media in late last few 919 00:40:31,890 --> 00:40:28,120 years we have this a unicorn healers and 920 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:31,900 say angel therapists getting old at the 921 00:40:37,170 --> 00:40:35,290 attention in media answer and so we now 922 00:40:39,330 --> 00:40:37,180 have the million dollars from from Randy 923 00:40:41,460 --> 00:40:39,340 in finish and we can do the kind of 924 00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:41,470 initial screening in Finland and then 925 00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:43,510 send them forward because we wanted to 926 00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:45,730 really show how lazy the journalists can 927 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:47,680 be when it when it's in the topic is 928 00:40:53,310 --> 00:40:50,650 about alternative hand quotation 929 00:40:55,350 --> 00:40:53,320 treatments I think in Sweden a lot of 930 00:40:58,530 --> 00:40:55,360 the time when i switch on the television 931 00:41:02,090 --> 00:40:58,540 i do see a lot of whoo is that the same 932 00:41:05,820 --> 00:41:02,100 in Finland I mean about you know like 933 00:41:07,730 --> 00:41:05,830 psychic shows like haunted houses and 934 00:41:10,770 --> 00:41:07,740 stuff is that also prominent in Finland 935 00:41:14,940 --> 00:41:10,780 yes we have those TV shows but small 936 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:14,950 it's more like a papers are doing and 937 00:41:19,890 --> 00:41:17,290 newspapers are doing articles without 938 00:41:23,370 --> 00:41:19,900 critical response or thinking about 939 00:41:26,940 --> 00:41:23,380 those people like a ghost hunter or so 940 00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:26,950 like I said angel therapists what's an 941 00:41:30,810 --> 00:41:28,510 angel therapist this is somebody who 942 00:41:32,220 --> 00:41:30,820 heals angels I don't know it's some 943 00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:32,230 something like that you get power from 944 00:41:37,620 --> 00:41:34,480 angels on some kind of out star power 945 00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:37,630 and you heal people people and I think 946 00:41:42,210 --> 00:41:39,760 the booter with mediums their mediums 947 00:41:44,580 --> 00:41:42,220 that conveyed the power and light of 948 00:41:47,490 --> 00:41:44,590 healing light of angels into your life 949 00:41:50,250 --> 00:41:47,500 and soul and I that's okay you can do 950 00:41:52,350 --> 00:41:50,260 that if you want as a hobby but when 951 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:52,360 you're sailing services like that then 952 00:41:56,010 --> 00:41:54,010 you're doing is some kind of this 953 00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:56,020 service for other people who are in need 954 00:42:02,730 --> 00:41:59,200 oh yes and I do agree yeah and we've had 955 00:42:04,350 --> 00:42:02,740 big things like there's 11 famous one of 956 00:42:07,470 --> 00:42:04,360 famous he's a finished dancer kind like 957 00:42:09,210 --> 00:42:07,480 ass male stripper who called who who who 958 00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:09,220 was who was found to have cancer and 959 00:42:15,390 --> 00:42:11,110 instead of taking the proper treatment 960 00:42:17,220 --> 00:42:15,400 he decided to do it or natural and so we 961 00:42:19,350 --> 00:42:17,230 had the one of the biggest tabloids in 962 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:19,360 Finland right ahead in line saying that 963 00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:21,610 he's he's cure for cancer alternative 964 00:42:25,890 --> 00:42:23,920 treatments are actually affecting him 965 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:25,900 put in a positive way and as soon as you 966 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:28,210 read the ingress of that article you see 967 00:42:31,950 --> 00:42:29,770 that he hasn't been to a doctor the 968 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:31,960 media is still saying that that he's 969 00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:32,210 been 970 00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:34,400 yield on these things and if people just 971 00:42:38,170 --> 00:42:37,040 leave you know read the headline someone 972 00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:38,180 might think that hey I don't need to 973 00:42:43,210 --> 00:42:41,119 take I'll just eat sunlight now that's 974 00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:43,220 very very dangerous night when it gets 975 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:46,310 credibility because famous people speak 976 00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:48,050 out like that how about the 977 00:42:53,290 --> 00:42:50,000 anti-vaccination movement do you have 978 00:42:55,660 --> 00:42:53,300 that in Finland as well yeah about 979 00:42:57,339 --> 00:42:55,670 everywhere there's a yoga yoga hole or 980 00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:57,349 whatever temple they call it there are 981 00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:59,839 some people right it's this kind of like 982 00:43:02,740 --> 00:43:01,520 I think it's the same all around the 983 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:02,750 world at the moment you have a lot of 984 00:43:08,050 --> 00:43:06,290 these organic hippies yeah afraid of big 985 00:43:09,790 --> 00:43:08,060 farm and then you know be ready to kill 986 00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:09,800 every one they have trained snipers 987 00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:11,510 aimed at the head all the time and 988 00:43:15,370 --> 00:43:13,250 they're just paranoid they're like the 989 00:43:18,730 --> 00:43:15,380 lone Ranger's index files yeah all 990 00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:18,740 hippies are organic I think yeah I don't 991 00:43:23,950 --> 00:43:20,000 eat any of them but I trust your 992 00:43:26,589 --> 00:43:23,960 judgment on this pond so is there any 993 00:43:29,050 --> 00:43:26,599 any any pet hate you have any anything 994 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:29,060 that really markers if you had to choose 995 00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:32,210 one that you would eradicate from 996 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:35,119 Finland what would what would that be I 997 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:37,490 think those I mean anti-vaxxers 998 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:39,290 anti-vaxxers probably because as a 999 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:42,170 father of two myself and it's definitely 1000 00:43:47,859 --> 00:43:45,410 something to bring back diseases very 1001 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:47,869 very dangerous diseases that we kind of 1002 00:43:51,849 --> 00:43:50,450 have managed to get a get rid of to 1003 00:43:54,970 --> 00:43:51,859 bring them back just because you're 1004 00:43:57,250 --> 00:43:54,980 scared of what the TV says that's just 1005 00:44:00,040 --> 00:43:57,260 wrong it's just there's no way no no 1006 00:44:03,370 --> 00:44:00,050 reason behind that tattoo do you have 1007 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:03,380 one yes I do well it's a religion 1008 00:44:09,220 --> 00:44:05,690 because I would like to get rid of it 1009 00:44:12,190 --> 00:44:09,230 but of course I understand their peoples 1010 00:44:15,579 --> 00:44:12,200 need for religion and exact it actually 1011 00:44:18,339 --> 00:44:15,589 fascinates me but still I would like to 1012 00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:18,349 get rid of it I have a special question 1013 00:44:21,849 --> 00:44:20,089 here this is a little bit of the point 1014 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:21,859 here but there is a question from 1015 00:44:30,130 --> 00:44:25,010 Richard Saunders is Finland a part of 1016 00:44:32,500 --> 00:44:30,140 Scandinavia or not oh no is that a new 1017 00:44:34,750 --> 00:44:32,510 kind of pseudoscience can there there 1018 00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:34,760 are a lot of ABBA fans who like to say 1019 00:44:39,820 --> 00:44:37,730 we're a part of part of Sweden and 1020 00:44:41,410 --> 00:44:39,830 Scandinavia but I mean I think it comes 1021 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:41,420 from because finland was under very 1022 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:43,490 tyrannical swedish rule for almost six 1023 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:45,530 hundred years I bet you forgive 1024 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:48,170 and also that now no no sugar we have 1025 00:44:54,610 --> 00:44:49,850 yeah sure come by and we'll show you how 1026 00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:54,620 much we're giving you yes I don't know I 1027 00:44:59,620 --> 00:44:56,480 don't know maybe maybe we'll still have 1028 00:45:02,140 --> 00:44:59,630 to just file that under not we haven't 1029 00:45:04,780 --> 00:45:02,150 really figured that out yet III can tell 1030 00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:04,790 mr. Saunders ask someone who knows don't 1031 00:45:08,410 --> 00:45:06,710 have a guy who's being interviewed by 1032 00:45:11,260 --> 00:45:08,420 another guy who doesn't know not 1033 00:45:14,530 --> 00:45:11,270 prompted dudes yeah up to that point 1034 00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:14,540 fair point fair point so if anybody 1035 00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:16,880 wants to know more about your think 1036 00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:21,110 Helsinki think activities or the finish 1037 00:45:25,210 --> 00:45:23,510 yep t'kul movement at all where can they 1038 00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:25,220 go and find out more you can go to 1039 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:27,200 double ww think he'll sink you think 1040 00:45:32,830 --> 00:45:30,410 calm and subscribe for more and sep 1041 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:32,840 tember forth our next event is coming 1042 00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:35,770 it's going to be starting at five thirty 1043 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:39,200 eet which is gmt + 2 and it's going to 1044 00:45:42,970 --> 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00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:13,910 it's awesome and if there's any 1059 00:46:17,500 --> 00:46:15,530 Australian listeners out there's on this 1060 00:46:19,660 --> 00:46:17,510 podcast the app the official after party 1061 00:46:23,470 --> 00:46:19,670 is run by the wool shed pub which is run 1062 00:46:26,650 --> 00:46:23,480 by Ozzy's oh very hung by my I will do 1063 00:46:29,230 --> 00:46:26,660 my best I will do my best absolutely ok 1064 00:46:31,780 --> 00:46:29,240 tato written and Marcus and Elaine thank 1065 00:46:34,690 --> 00:46:31,790 you very much and good luck with your 1066 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:34,700 next events like some a few photos thank 1067 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:52,550 are you annoyed by misinformation 1068 00:46:56,900 --> 00:46:55,050 spreading like crazy and you want to 1069 00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:56,910 stop the flood of nonsense coming from 1070 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:00,720 all directions go to Wikipedia as do all 1071 00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:03,570 those 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